In popular, colloquial usage, heresy signifies a counterpoint and counterposition to an orthodoxy or a certain tradition or heritage. If the optic fantasy and logo-centrism of ‘civilization’ (read whiteness),is both created and sustained by a heritage of silencing how does the Black Sonic provide a counterpoint to this? On 12th October 2021 Prof Bogues sat down with us to discuss this and how heretical positions can themselves become heritage.